Sparks in the Wilderness
November 24, 2008 at 7:12 AM 23 comments
Is there even a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel? The economic forecast continues to be cloudy with rain. However, I do think there are sparks in the wilderness. President-elect Obama will officially announce more cabinet selections on Monday as he tries to show both the American people and the world that he will to hit the ground running once he takes office. The apparent appointment of Timothy Geithner for Secretary of the Treasury should be a plus for Wall Street. This is the earliest a President has selected cabinet heads in recent years. Our current state of affairs has suffered due to a vacuum of leadership. Hopefully this action will take the bull by the horns (pun intended) and give the markets something to hang on to and set a floor. Although the upcoming holiday buying season looks grim, some are predicting that early, deep discount sales will bring out shoppers in spite of the shaky economy. If this occurs, it could give a lift to the market, or at the very least create a calming effect. The greatest challenge will be to stop the domino effect of layoffs. Our President-elect says he has a plan to create or save 2.5 million jobs—the sooner the better, as the number of layoffs increases weekly.
As it has been for the last several months, the sparks in the housing market are in the sales of the lower end homes. Multiple offers have virtually dried up in homes priced over a million dollars. But those homes that are priced aggressively under $800K are attracting the buyers, as evidenced by the Berkeley 2 bedr./1 ba. home that received 8 offers and went well over asking price. By the way, all of the offers on this home were over its list price of $565K. For those homes over a million dollars that receive multiples, the majority of the accepted prices were actually under list. As long as this situation continues, our median and average sales prices will decline. Geographically most of the multiples are occurring in the East Bay and in Sonoma and Napa counties.
The good news is that inventories continue to decline as the REOs (bank owned properties) are moving quickly off the shelf. Much of last year’s huge increases in inventories were created by two primary reasons: (1) There was an influx of properties that were difficult to move because banks were in denial and not willing to take the deep discounts required in order for them to sell; and (2) sellers were unrealistic in their valuations of their properties. Currently, sellers who have been unsuccessful in selling their homes are now either renting them or taking them off the market permanently to wait for better days. If inventories can remain reasonably low until banks are more willing to lend in the jumbo loan category (loans over $625,250), a recovery will begin to take shape.
As I have stated before, buyers are out there. Open house traffic is still quite good given the time of the year. The homes that are open for the first time are still attracting the largest crowds like a Berkeley home listed at $900K that entertained 75 buyers; a SF Eureka Valley 3 bedr./2 ba. home priced at $899K had 65 groups; or a SF Sea Cliff 4bedr./3.5 ba. listed at $2.949 mil. was visited by 40 buyer groups. The buyers are just waiting for a sign that we have reached bottom. They don’t have that feeling yet.
Until the economy can stop its precipitous slide, sales will be soft. This is good news for buyers who have the upper hand and will be able to obtain exceptional values. Sellers, who do not have a pressing reason to sell, should not put their house on the market. For those sellers who need to sell, it is best to be the most aggressively priced home in the neighborhood and make sure that when their homes go on the market they look their best. For sellers that have the ability to provide seller financing, either in the form of a first or second deed of trust, it is an additional plus in attracting potential buyers. It can make their homes more attractive and/or net them more dollars.
Sellers cannot get stuck on a particular price. They must be flexible and realistic in they want to sell there home in the current market. Buyers will not pay more than what they think a home is worth. It is more important to focus on getting from point A to point B. If you are buying another house after you sell yours, you will be in a position to make up any dollars you may have thought you lost in selling your home.
Just as reminder, believe it or not, buyers do buy through the holidays. There are many reasons buyers will continue to purchase including financial considerations (there accountants say they need to buy for tax reasons, exchanges, etc.), relocations, and many other personal reasons. Be prepared to write or receive offers.
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Even though we have challenges ahead, we have much to be grateful for.
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Ira & Carol Serkes | November 24, 2008 at 8:10 AM
Here’s an update on yesterday’s (it’s 12:02 am and Baby Terrorist is snoozing under my right elbow)’ open house at 1951 Thousand Oaks Blvd in Upper Thousand Oaks Neighborhood.
We had even MORE people at the open house – our estimate is that about 80 groups of people came to visit us!
Carol’s marketing copy intrigued many to come. I greeted everyone with “Since we advertised it’s not for the faint of heart, I’m delighted to know you’re stout of heart”
BERKELEY $900,000 1951 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Sun 2-4:30
NOT for the faint of heart! Restore this Upper 1000 Oaks n’hd
1926 grande dame w/detached art studio to its former glory -
all systems & cosmetics needed! North Berkeley Hills near
Kensington Village & upper Solano Ave shops, restaurants,
movies; Main House: 3br; 2ba; formal dining; entry & large
main rooms; views from upper level; good basement storage;
Studio: bath; Ira & Carol Serkes, Pacific Union 510-526-6668
1951ThousandOaks.com, BerkeleyBlogCast.com
Our challenge in this market? It’s not selling listings, but rather finding good homes for our many relocation buyers! We have one client who came to us as a result of our internet presence… they can pay $1M in cash (an unusual lending market doesn’t become a problem when you’re not getting a loan) and there aren’t homes on the market which appeal to them!
Buyers do buy through the holidays – the 4th Quarter is traditionally one of our most productive, and 2008 4Q is shaping up to follow the trend!
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g jones | November 24, 2008 at 8:40 AM
Great blog! BTW, I take cream and sugar!
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Rick Tackett | November 24, 2008 at 3:17 PM
If you have the ability/bandwidth to track trends in seller-financed transactions that would be an interesting statistic to watch.
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Scott Kucirek | November 24, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Avram:
You are spot on. In Piedmont, homes are slow to move unless priced well below highs of two years ago. We have had neighbors pull out of offers on a bigger home when their house didn’t sell at the desired price. Others have rented their home or reduced the price over $300,000. If you are an owner in the high end, this is not the time to sell. Happy Thanksgiving and keep up the great work.
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Trecia Knapp | November 24, 2008 at 4:06 PM
All so true. Value buyers are starting to come out who are renters. At our open house on 1352 Lake Street yesterday. We just had a price reduction of 50k to $895,000. It generated a ton of interest with 25 groups coming by. Over half were renters who were out for the 1st time just “checking out” what was out there and looking for good deals. Most were not ready to buy however they are getting ready. They are taking their time and not in a rush either.
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Jerry Kidd | November 24, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Hi Avram-
Good points! I agree that deep discounts will help the retailers stay alive this holiday season. That also means that there is great opportunity for us as consumers. My latest blog post outlines how to find and track soof the great technology deals that are out there now.
I have always seen agents that stay and work during the holidays gather sales. I don’t see this year being any different. There are always who need to buy and sell homes, no matter what the economy is doing or what the calendar says.
Best regards,
Jerry
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Lauren Holloway | November 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM
I always enjoy the Goldman Report…thank you! I agree that the lower end market is moving…I recently competed with nine other offers on an REO in Walnut Creek priced at $560,000. I’m curious to see the sale price once it closes: we lost out as my buyers were unwilling to go over asking.
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Ginger Wilcox | November 24, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Properly priced homes are still selling. I wrote an offer on a new listing this week that received three offers in San Anselmo. Unfortunately, my buyers were not the winning bidders, but it goes to show that buyers are out there- even the week before Thanksgiving.
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Jeff barnett | November 24, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Always look forward to reading you articles regarding the markert in the bay area. We are running about the same down here in the south bay. Have a great Thanksgiving,
Jeff Barnett
Alain Pinel realtors
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scott gibson | November 24, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Ok so I want some of your coffee. The market in Los Angeles has slowed certainly, but to your point homes under 1m continue to be big sellers especially in the San Fernando Valley including Sherman Oaks, Studio City where multiple offers are common.
On the westside including Pacific Palisades, Santa Monica, Brentwood and Beverly Hill,where our brokerage is located, there are virtually no reo’s and some short sales. We have multiples on homes up to 2m. Most people are coming in all cash or cash to a conforming loan, which by the way drops as of january 1, 2009. Open houses are very busy, but we lack a sense of urgency. Many owners of investment property are starting to put their places on the market becuase of the possible increse in capital gains tax coming.
In the Southbay which includes Manhattan Beach and Hermosa Beach, the market has slowed considerably.
We are all looking forward to the holidays and have much to be thankful for. Thank you Avram for your blog and kind wishes, now send me some coffee!!!
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Angel Ogden | November 24, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family too!
When I watched CNBC this morning, it reported 45% of homes sold in Oct. were foreclosure sales. I thought exactly as you wrote in your newsletter that majority of homes for sale on the market are homes in financial distress and that reflect the high percentage of foreclosure sales. To reduce the inventory of homes on market, our banks/lenders need to become more sensible with their lending guideline instead of keeping their eyes closed to any and all qualified borrowers. The banks should start reducing the long term mortgage rate too in relationship to the prime rate
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Tom Nemeth | November 24, 2008 at 11:44 PM
I wrote on offer on short sale property back in July. Bank called last week to say they’d accept. Buyers, of course, are no longer interested in July’s price and want a further 10% reduction. Can you blame them?
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catharina | November 24, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Avram…your Report is great! I use it with my clients every week and they are longing for it.
I would love it if there were a small box with statistics (instead of in bedding them in the report) if that would be possible.
One valuable statistic, over and beyond what you already provide, would be total ytd. sales volume – and price – change in say 3-4 areas (SF +) vs. ’07 for SFH and Condos.
That may be too much to ask for…but this is one statistic that clients want to know.
Thanks again!
Catharina
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dan | November 25, 2008 at 12:18 AM
from the news, the world seems to be crashing down in a fiery ball of doom, but with Obama’s going into office as our president.. i feel “American” again after 8 years. It’s like a tumor’s been removed. We’ve survived.
Everyone i’ve talked to tells me i should work to get a house now, while the getting’s good, and i’m working my tail off to do just that.
This massive economic problem may last 3 or 4 years…whatever… it feels more like a national New Years resolution to me, and less like the end of the world.
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Serafino Bianchi | November 25, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Avram,
I always place your report on my monthly newsletter.
In the last two months I worked strictly on REO’s or short sales.
Out of 4 REO deals that closed in the last two months 2 were multiple offers. These are deals in the $ 225,000 to $ 300,000.
This is what is moving right now.
I also have a good story that ended good for my clients.
Finally… my $ 3.5mil short sale is closing.
It was a learning experience to say the least. We had 5 offers to condend with at the time in July. We got the deal.
Three offers simply would NOT go away and stayed with this for 4 months.
Once we received the bank’s terms, one of the back up offer raised the stakes to $ 4mil all cash. I guess the listing agent kept all communications open with the back-up offers.
My clients and I were basically been removed via the short sale addendum. With some persuasion, we were able to make this deal work at $ 4,000,000.
So, here you DO have multiple offers above the one million level.
Best to you,
Serafino
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Jeannie Anderson | November 25, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Avram, Thank you for sharing your thoughts and commments, but most of all, including some humor. At least we can smile when it feels that we have gone off a cliff and cannot see where the landing will take place. Here’s a treat– I just filled up the gas tank today and it was such a joy to see that the amount was not approaching a 5 digit number.
As lenders are becoming more realistic with their pricing of REO properties, Oakley, Antioch, Pittsburgh and Bay Point are seeing multiple offers and sales prices occasionally over the asking prices. The inventory is shrinking at a rapid rate as the investors are fully taking advantage of prices that create a cash flow with 20% down. We haven’t seen that happen for many years. An interesting note about the crime element… At 5 different homes the theives had taken off the whole door handle and made off with the lockboxes. It appears, so far, that they have not been able to break open the boxes, but I imagine they are working on finding a way. But to keep replacing the lockboxes gets expensive for the agents.
I had some buyers just start looking in Lamorinda under a million and they were pleasantly surprised at what they found. Isn’t that nice ? Have a Happy Thanksgiving….
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K. King | November 25, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Hi, Avram- no market update from me, just wanted to comment on your neat blog. It’s an interesting, easy and informative read. Not to mention, I like the pic you’ve added to the header. Ottimo!
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Caroline Nelson | November 25, 2008 at 2:45 AM
I think your point, “Sellers cannot get stuck on a particular price. They must be flexible and realistic in they want to sell their home in the current market. Buyers will not pay more than what they think a home is worth. It is more important to focus on getting from point A to point B” is spot on. I had a buyer who wrote offers on two different properties not long ago. Neither seller accepted the offers and they weren’t willing to negotiate. They were both holding out for a better price, thinking that there were more buyers out there willing to pay. Both were wrong, they were stuck on a particular price. Both of the listing agents were in touch with me this week, asking if my buyer was still interested in the reduced price my buyer had offered. Both sellers realized their mistakes too late; my buyer has moved on, and the sellers for both properties will either take their properties off of the market or sell for less than what my buyer would have paid for the property.
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Patricia Montag | November 25, 2008 at 3:01 AM
I read your blog weekly as clients want information…not the headlines from the newspapers.
They are hungry for statistics and projections. In the last week, 2 homes in Tiburon sold in the first week, both with multiple offers. The inventory is still low here which may account for the quick sales.
Thanks for all of your good info & have a wonderful Thanksgiving. We still have much to be thankful for…it’s not snowing!
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Kathleen L. Guillaume | November 25, 2008 at 3:30 AM
At the bottom, bottom it is even crazier. I just submitted an offer for a client on an REO, we were offer number 22. They think there will be more offers before the bank decides. My client really stepped up to the plate. They asking was under $215k, they offered $265K. Wish me luck. For homes under $400K there seem to be a minimum of 5 offers up to an average of 11 for anything decent.
When I did the research for our offer I noted that the sales for the last 2 months closed over asking by 5 – 10%.
There is business out there…and heck three homes in the 260 – 400 range equals 900K to 1 million in sales.
Buyers are a great thing to have.
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Arvada Darnell | November 25, 2008 at 3:54 AM
Thank you for your continued insight and foresight. The Peninsula market is reflecting exactly what you are saying. It has been a great year for me….and I am grateful for having the gift of 36 years of perspective in this business. This too shall pass, and the real estate market is always good for someone. Happy Thanksgiving Avram!!
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Honey B... | November 25, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Ah Thanksgiving…A time to give thanks for “Buyers with Cash” they are our Kings/Queens, for Supply & Demand getting better everyday, Holiday Buyers that need to Buy before year end, Properties that need to Sell before year end, yes it is a better season for both to make a deal. Maybe the floor duty phone will ring or does everybody have a realtor these days? Avram,Thanks for not giving us a fish for today, but the knowledge that we may fish for a lifetime….Knowledge is power so keep Blogging away!!
May you and your family have a bountiful Holiday Season
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eas | December 3, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Interesting take on the market, just wondering what happens to the high end market when all of the optionARM’s that were used to purchase many of the jumbo-loan houses in the bay area start reseting in 2009 to 2011. I know of a couple people in the Berkeley Hills who thought that they would just refinance by that time because their home will, of course, have appreciated.
Seems like they will either figure out the new cash flows in an income restricted job market or try to sell. In either case, could it be that we are all sub-prime now?